Cult's Ian Astbury on 'Love,' rock 'n' roll and the death of the album
Ian Astbury's not only the leader of the Cult, he's something of a rock 'n' roll shaman, a cerebral man, a guy with strong opinions about the music he loves and the industry he, well, loathes. I had a long talk with him on the phone the other day, too late to get anything into the print version of the newspaper, but not too late to run it here. What follows are some of the highlights from the nearly 45-minute conversation, including his thoughts on the album as an art form ("albums are a dead format," he says), "Guitar Hero" and "Rock Band" as new ways to promote a band's music, reviving their 1985 album "Love" album (which gave us "She Sells Sanctuary") for a tour launching Aug. 18 and his thoughts on artists from Radiohead to Led Zeppelinand Bob Dylan. The Cult headlines Saturday's main stage at the Downtown Street Fest. They're scheduled to go on around 10:20 p.m., after the fireworks. The show starts at 6:15, with Drive A, then Over the Rainbow(featuring former Rainbow members and Ritchie Blackmore's son on guitar) and Lacuna Coil. Tickets are $15 in advance at 7-Eleven stores in El Paso and Pic Quiks in Las Cruces, $25 at the gate. Go to klaq.com for details. Making "Love" I asked Astbury 47, why he recently told Billboard.com that he most identified with the band's "Love" album, their second, which predated bigger releases such as "Electric" (1987) and "Sonic Temple" (1989). "I think out of all the Cult albums, it was the one that wasn't made with an agenda in the sense that when the band first formed it was formed out of a love of music. It wasn't sort of a careerist venture. It was never meant to be a job or an occupation. It was just driven by the love of music. As the course of the band progressed and we got to the 'Electric' album, the agenda was to follow up 'Love,' and we got in that cycle of touring and making records. "Something that's really interesting, being that young and not having that kind of perspective, we didn't realize we were doing anything to run out of energy or run out of fuel. But when you tour he way we used to tour and record and tour an album, it just didn't stop. We did that for 12 years and the wheels just go off and you're putting the pieces back together." Old vs. new Astbury said he was "firmly rooted in punk" in the late 1970s, a big fan of the Clash, Sex Pistols andRamones, a time when groups like Led Zeppelin were derived for their money, their excess, their detachment and their success. But the key to the Cult's late 1980s/early 1990s success was a sound that combined classic hard rock with a more contemporary punk fury, which allowed the group to appeal to both camps. "For me, in the early '80s, the predominant opinion was that groups like Led Zeppelin were taboo. You couldn't mention them, certainly in England you couldn't mention the name of Led Zeppelin. It was considered some sort of primordial tme, but, really, even "In Through the Out Door" was far more progressive than a lot of post-modern record I've heard at 22, 23 years old. "When I heard that music with really open ears, I was so moved by it, by the depths of it, the scope of it, it confused me as to why there was so much hatred of the punk rock generation toward Led Zeppelin. I understood they were wealthy, unobtainable kind of like icons, but at the same token they were young men and they'd earned that wealth that had been thrust upon them and they dealt with it the best they could. John Bonham didn't make it, which was a real tragedy in Led Zeppelin. "But in many ways they were far more outrageous, the radical choices they made, than a lot of punk rock bands. They could actually play." He also raved about Jimmy Page as "one of the most gifted musicians of any era, like a Paganini," but is less impressed with Eddie Van Halen and the waves of fast, technically adroit players who've followed in his footsteps. "When I think of guitar players, I don't think of Eddie Van Halen. That kind of technical playing doesn't interest me. I'm always more of a fan of Robby Krieger (the Doors guitarist, with whom Astbury toured earlier this decade). In a lot of ways, he's the original punk guitarist. So was Pete Townshend and Ron Ashton." Too old to rock 'n' roll? Astbury has developed projects for theater and film in recent years, but says music "will always be my first love," even though he's not happy with the state of the music that has inspired him ever since he bought David Bowie's "Life on Mars?" as a 10-year-old kid. "Rock 'n' roll now is pretty much in the garbage. It's barely alive. Everybody has taken from it. Nobody has given back. There are a very few who have given back. It's a very selfish occupation. A lot of people never really returned. That's why we have a lot of pastiche and we have a lot of artists who are never involved beyond their sophomore albums. It's a travesty." The album is dead I asked Astbury if the Cult, who are without a record label, had been working on material for a new album. The question brought a very blunt answer. "There will be no new album. I don't think we'll ever see a Cult album. Albums are dead. The format is dead. iTunes destroyed albums. The whole idea of an album. Albums were established in the '70s and '80s and into the '90s, but they've been dead for a long time. Nobody buys albums. It's been proven. It's an arcane format, as much as the 78 rpm or writing sheet music for an orchestra. It's an old form and, for me, it's much more about if we have a great song we really believe in, then we'll record it and release it." He's not ruling out collecting a bunch of those songs into some kind of album and makes clear that his views are in relation to the Cult more than anyone else. "For me, the idea of making albums is dead. The idea of spending a year and a half in the studio arguing over agendas and trying to fit into a format that's settled before we started the creative process (is unappealing). He points to some contemporary artists who are exceptions to that rule: Unkle, Arcade Fire and Radiohead among them. Of Radiohead, he said: "I find their albums highly listenable. I get lost in a body of work. I look forward to it." 'Guitar' zero He's no fan of the Disneyfication of the music industry and doesn't think video games like "Guitar Hero" or "Rock Band" (which is having a tournament at the Street Fest) are appropriate ways for artists to get their music out there. "I've been talking to some bands and they'll say, 'Aren't you excited for people to discover your music through 'Guitar Hero'?' No. That's not the way to discover music in a contemporary format that's pop. If you are in the music business, you should consider that as an end result to introduce people to music." Ian on Bob One enduring artist that Astbury admires is Bob Dylan who has established quite a legacy doing what he wants, not what he thinks fans expect or record companies can market. "He's a god. That body of work. 'I'm gonna play 'Like a Rolling Stone,' play 'Infidels' or 'Modern Times,' then 'Blonde on Blonde.' I mean that body of work is ridiculous. Bob Dylan's an exception to all the rules. He's a god to all of it. The fact that he's been around, vital, making great records, f--- agism, he's got far bigger b---- and far more presence." Cult status The Cult has been around in one form or another since 1983, save three-year hiatuses in the '90s and the '00s. The constants have been Astbury and guitarist Billy Duffy, who are joined currently by ex-White Zombie drummer John Tempesta, guitarist Mike Dimkich and former Ozzy bassist Chris Whyse. Astbury describes the current lineup as "very lean, very muscular," though his recovery from recent hip reconstruction surgery has gone slow. "I had destroyed my left hip, had that reconstructed, so I'm coming off pretty much 7-8 months without being able to exercise. I've been walking without a cane for about a week. I am definitely not as mobile as I like to be. But I'm starting the rehab process now, so my mobility will increase." At age 47, he has no Peter Pan delusions. "I'm in my 40s, so there's no delusion of walking around in tight trousers like I'm 17. It's OK to be 47." He said the band is approaching recording and touring like "a guerilla unit." "We choose what we want to do. We have our criteria in terms of we're offered so much work and so many opportunities but those things don't interest me any more. What interests me is going to woodshed, create music that I'm proud of and keep the door open to guerilla gigs," including Saturday's non-tour stop at the Street Fest, which brings the Cult back to a town that has supported them over the years (even if someone flung a bottle at Astbury at the Coliseum back in the '90s). "We don't have a record deal and I'm completely fine with that. We have a body of work ... but the Cult started as a live band. We still have that and we are engaged in that."

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